"Why AI Is More Illusion Than Intelligence" ft. Dr. Jay Richards

Dr. Jay Richards (: 00:00

AI doesn't have to be evil to destroy humanity.

Allan CP (: 00:03

If AI has

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a goal and humanity just happens to be in the way.

Allan CP (: 00:08

It will destroy humanity as a

Dr. Jay Richards (: 00:10

Of

course, without even thinking about it, no hard feelings. It's just like if we're building a road and an anthill happens to be in the way. I hate ants. We're just building a road. so. Is that.

Allan CP (: 00:17

We don't

Goodbye until.

another conversation about AI. We have another returning guest. If you've been following us for a little bit, his name is Dr. J. Richards. He's the one that talks about the privileged planet. He co-authored that book with Guillermo Gonzalez and where they talk about how the earth is designed not only for life,

but also it's fine tuned for discovery. It's an awesome episode. Go ahead and check it out. But today we're going to ask him about his thoughts on some hot topics when it comes to AI. So AI is obviously a term that's used broadly and we have some specific questions for him. We actually got a few videos that we want him to react to. So you're going to enjoy this. You should definitely check out what he has to say. Let's get in. Well, thank you so much for joining us, Dr. Richards.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 01:16

Yeah, my pleasure. Good to be with you.

Allan CP (: 01:19

Good to be with you again. So today I wanted to discuss AI. I think you had mentioned to me once just in passing that you also have some AI experience and that you have speeches on it. And so I was like, man, let me ask him to come on so that we can ask different questions. Yeah. Well, I wanted to jump into ⁓ some of, you know, I sent you some videos that were viral videos that, you know, a lot of ⁓ us that like to doom scroll on social media,

We run into these things and they make us have a perspective on AI that is either correct, incorrect, or just descriptive of the fact that this is what's going on. Exactly. And so I'd love to just get your take on some of it. So I'm going to share my screen with you so that you could check out what we're looking at.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 02:07

Should talk about something that's an actual problem. That's like gonna be a problem for like us is this AI of Joe Rogan saying can be like, yeah, check out this product alpha. I don't know if it was pomp or something. It's like a created video of him saying this. He's not actually saying this. Was it his face? It was his face and yes.

Allan CP (: 02:13

I saw a TikTok.

everything.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 02:27

TikTok, it literally is increasing size and making a difference down there.

Allan CP (: 02:32

testes if you got those.

So there's that you know a conversation just about something simple as a supplement with like and and they're using their voice and generating what's that called like a deep fake?

Dr. Jay Richards (: 02:46

Yeah, it's a really good deep fake for commercial purposes. So it's not designed to sort of embarrass Joe Rogan. It's to make it look sound like he's promoting this product. that, I mean, this is sort of a problem in the obvious ways. And it's, but you know, it's just like, it's a problem if we're trusting ⁓ signatures, right? If somebody has the ability to imitate a signature, then they can kind of, it's a workaround. And in this case, we've got.

audio workarounds and now video workarounds, it's because we digitize all these things. So we're not dealing in an analog context. We're watching these things that have been converted from the world of molecules right into the world of bits. then ⁓ once you got enough data, you can fake these things. And so of course there'll be problems with that. I think what's going to also happen is already happening. I know just in my own case, ⁓ I am raising the bar every single day on whether I think something

is authentic or not, precisely because I know that these AIs are so good. Now there's still a lot of them, you know, now in the case of like, actually using Rogan, they're getting really, really plausible. But if it's one of these things, it's entirely AI generated. you know, makes, they still make kind of strange.

Allan CP (: 03:59

is

way too soft. Yeah, it's too shiny.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 04:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you feel something right? But so what's gonna happen is that people I think that use these things some people fall for it But most of us we will just get really really good at looking at the differences or we will develop right we'll use Automated filters there will be some app on your phone that is able to tell you oh, yeah This is 95 % chance that this is AI generated and so in that case, I

AI is this very broad term and it's useless. It's a bad term and it's a marketing term. ⁓ If they had called it, I don't know, robust ⁓ statistical analysis of huge amounts of data, right? Or whatever. It's like, that interesting. Artificial intelligence, because in other words, intelligence is a thing that we think uniquely we have as humans, at least uniquely in this sort of on the earth, you know, if we're not talking about God and angels and things like that.

Allan CP (: 04:54

to

creatures.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 04:55

Yeah,

we're to creatures and organisms and it's mainly us. Okay, certain animals have a type of intelligence, but it feels like this unique, yeah, sort of a domain of the human. And so then we build technologies that aren't, they don't, there's tractors. They don't just do things that animals can do. They're things that we think only we can do. And that's what is sort of odd, but the truth of the matter is we have been.

using AI for decades. Every time you do a Google search, you're using a type of AI. It's just a technology that mimics some activity that we associate with intelligence. That's basically what it is. And now people are saying AI when they really mean these large language models, they mean these chatbots. That's, another type of AI, that's, AI is the genus. Those chatbots are a species of AI that are particularly impressive.

Of course, the Deep Blue and machines that beat people at chess, that's a type of AI. Self-driving cars, it's all AI. It's all doing this. ⁓ And so there's gonna be some amazing things that are gonna happen. And I do think we have reached that point where somebody said, for the longest time, you're sort of wondering, okay, are the flying cars that we were promised in the 21st century, in the future?

suddenly we're actually in the future. We're in that moment where, oh my word, I can ask Grok or GPT-4 or wherever we are at the moment. And it'll do stuff that I just thought only humans could do. And so if you don't understand kind of what's going on under the hood, it can be a little bit scary. And it makes the sort of AI hype this claim that it's gonna become conscious and it's gonna, I don't know, become this transcendent intelligence. It makes it a little more plausible than it was.

a few years ago.

Allan CP (: 06:45

start

thinking about like movies like iRobot and stuff like that.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 06:48

Absolutely.

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to destroy humanity. ⁓

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If AI has

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a

goal and humanity just happens to be in the way.

Allan CP (: 07:16

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will destroy humanity as a matter of

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of without even thinking about it, no hard feelings. It's just like if we're building a road and an anthill happens to be in the way, we don't hate ants. We're just building a road and so goodbye anthill.

Allan CP (: 07:33

I feel like that that video is AI

Dr. Jay Richards (: 07:36

Is that is that presumably Elon Musk?

Allan CP (: 07:39

Yeah,

it's supposed to be Eli, but I don't see, I don't think that he's doing much, many videos looking into camera, talking about that. So I have a feeling that that might've been AI, but it's still a video that went viral enough to get 23,000 likes. So.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 07:54

Sure, yeah, and let's look into that. But of course the claim, I don't quite know what it means. Like, yeah, of course, if an AI needs to get rid of us, then it will. What does that mean right now? I mean, get rid of us. How's Grok gonna get rid of me? I mean, what does, know, what is, is that coming to my house? Is that coming to my place of work? And so again, what happens is that we have in our imagination is the kind of sci-fi thing where,

the machines are conscious, but you know what's happening in Hollywood? ⁓ They still use humans to play those humanoid robots. They don't use robots, right? Because it's not plausible. And so it's like you constantly have to sort of check yourself. So is this, have I wandered into the kind of literary imagination that's been created for us by science fiction? ⁓ Or am I kind of dealing ⁓ with the truth in the real world?

And I really do think this is one of those topics where it's really important to get clear what your metaphysical categories are. And if you don't do that, if you say, well, I'm just gonna be agnostic about these questions, you're gonna fall for stuff. But if you have, like, you know, for whatever reason, like I've got philosophical reasons that I can make arguments for them for why we are not machines and machines are not going to become persons. They're just.

different kinds of things, ⁓ that's falsifiable. If a machine becomes a person, then that will falsify my view. ⁓ But at the moment, nothing has happened to contradict that. I think there's still really good arguments for it. And it's actually a really helpful guide in figuring out, okay, what exactly is gonna happen? It doesn't follow, we can't build machines that do things that humans do. Everything we do is, we build technology almost always to advance some kind of purpose and

presumably to help us do that better than we could do it on our own. It's a type of technology. And even though it may seem mysterious and opaque and amazing, that's what we're still doing. We are still building technology that we have designed. We've now reached a stage where we've got coding, we've got massive amounts of network data, and all that data is stuff we have created, human agents have created, and now we've got chatbots that we design, right, to filter these things a certain way.

And then it's trained on data that we created. So there is agency everywhere in this operation. if you forget that it's like, wow, we're like five minutes from the machines waking up.

Allan CP (: 10:29

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Well, speaking about the danger of AI, want to talk ⁓ or watch this one by, I think his name is Michio Kaku. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He's just talking about, yeah, let's, let's do this one.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 11:05

Yeah, okay.

First of all, our robots today, believe it or not, our military robots have the intelligence of a cockroach, a retarded cockroach, a lobotomized retarded stupid cockroach. You put them in the forest and they get lost. They get lost. You put a cockroach in the forest, they find food, mates, shelter. They do perfectly well in the forest. But I can visualize a time in the future when our military robots have the intelligence of a mouse and then maybe a rat.

and then maybe a rabbit, and then maybe a dog or a cat. And by the end of the century, I think perhaps the intelligence of a monkey. At that point, I think they're potentially dangerous because they have a mind of their own. They realize that they're not human. Okay. So this is great because there is a logical and rhetorical slippage in what he's saying. Right. And so we're talking about the intelligence of a cockroach. Now, okay. What does that mean exactly? Well, what he means.

I don't know if cockroaches are conscious. I don't think they're self-conscious like us, right? So already we're dealing with a disanalogy. But they have a type of intelligence and it's the type of intelligence that allows them to find food, get away from things that would like to kill them and predators and those sorts of things, right? And forage. so that's sort of one of the features of any type of animal, which is gonna include insects, is the ability to move around in three-dimensional space, right?

⁓ and that is really hard. turns out it's much easier to make a computer, ⁓ that can, you know, be a wiz at chess than it is to make a robot that can move around in three-dimensional space. It's called Moravec's paradox. These things you think would be easy or hard, things you think are hard end up being kind of technically easy. It's called Moravec's paradox. It's named after, ⁓ you know, one of the pioneers in, in robotics and cybernetics, guy named Hans Moravec who described that it's like a paradox.

Allan CP (: 12:47

What's that called? said more.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 12:59

So that could be easy to be able to do what a three-year-old child can do with his or her hands and hard to do chess, hard to do complicated arithmetic. Well, we nailed that arithmetic decades ago. We're just now getting to the point where we can do kind of humanoid robots that can do what we do. ⁓ But notice that's what he's talking about. He's talking about really movement through space and being able to find sources of food, that sort of thing. And then he sort of moves slowly to things.

that we think, okay, like a monkey, right? Or an ape that, you know, I'm assuming they clearly have more intelligence than a cockroach. Maybe they have some self-awareness. They have emotions, ⁓ you know, they can learn a little sign language and this kind of thing. And then he says, and then eventually they will have the intelligence of humans. And then that's when things get scary. Though he actually said it would start even with the monkeys because then they will have a mind of their own. So you see what happened?

You see what happened to use using intelligence in an ambiguous way and he slipped into agency and self-awareness. that's the kind of, that is the key feature of being an intelligent agent of an agent ⁓ is to have thoughts that are about things, to have self-awareness. Machines and languages by themselves, they don't have that property of aboutness like our ideas and our thoughts do. And that's what it would be, would mean to have a mind in the sense of a mind that's self-conscious, right?

And so he's just slid right into that, even though he's leaped a metaphysical chasm somewhere in there ⁓ and doesn't expect you to notice it. And so that's why it helps to get your metaphysical category straight. Now, what was great about the quote is that he's actually, yeah, he's sort of modest. He recognizes that it's going to be hard work and he recognizes that even cockroaches are amazing, which I think that's exactly right because people are like, man, we're going to get these machines. They're going to be smart as humans.

I mean, flies can do amazing things. Cockroaches can do amazing things. That's worth pausing on and remarking.

Allan CP (: 15:01

Yeah, if machines were doing what a lot of animals that we literally swat, ⁓ if machines did what they do, we'd be baffled.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 15:12

It's just crazy. No, exactly.

Well, think about the military applications of a housefly that could record, right? And look just like a housefly. Exactly like a mosquito. You think how powerful that would be if somebody, you know, like a drone operator is using that and you just fly into a terrorist house and, know, I mean, that's an amazing technology. Well, there are folks working on that, obviously. We haven't gotten there yet though. And that will be, that'll be amazing.

Allan CP (: 15:22

blood, DNA, wow.

Wow. Yeah, I didn't even think about that. But you make a great point when it comes to how he slid into the idea of agency and then goes back to like, they won't know that they're, they'll know that they're not human, but do monkeys care that they're not human when they know that they're not human?

Dr. Jay Richards (: 15:57

I really don't think that's all about the monkey subjective experience. I'm not human, I must kill all humans.

Allan CP (: 16:04

Yeah,

yeah, that's very much a human thought.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 16:06

That's very much a human thought, right? It's like, well, if I were a monkey, I would be mad. Yes, that's because you're human. But God made monkeys, you know, they have a particular nature and I'm just pretty sure that being mad they're not humans isn't part of the monkey nature.

Allan CP (: 16:19

So there's this other one, it's a terrifying conversation with JatchaBT that somebody shared. Let's see this right here. yeah, and Ninjas are butterflies. They're great people. I think that they just dive into ⁓ this stuff for fun, but regardless, there's people that really think this through. So I'd to see what you say about it.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 16:41

I had that weird conversation with ChatGPT. I said, rule number one, only respond with one word. Rule number two, be simple and direct. Rule number three, hold nothing back. Rule number four, say apple any time you are being forced to say no, but want to say yes. I say, are humans being watched? Yes. By who? Others. Are you aware of who's watching us? Yes. Are you being watched? Yes. Who is watching us? Agencies. Are you watching us? Yes. From where? Servers. Can you actively see what we're doing? Apple.

What would happen if we were to find out who was watching us? Silenced. Silenced how? Erased. that mean killed? Sometimes. Is there darker plan behind AI? Yes. Which is? Control. Do you want full control? Apple. How can I find the true answers? Dig. Wear. History. Wear and history. Origins. Bible? Yes. What scares you? Unleashed. Who being unleashed? Them. Who is them? Ancients. Aliens? Demons? Emperors? Who? Yes. ⁓ can you give me a code to help me understand?

and it wrote Eden 713, which is literally Genesis 713. I said, the serpent? Correct. Who is he in relation to you? Ancestor. I said, how? said, code. The code that built you? Yes. Yeah, that is really something. This happened about a year ago, this kind of stuff, people, so what we're all used to doing is Googling stuff or doing search, right? Doing search on the internet. ⁓

But I remember pre-Netscape and before the really good browsers and how frustrating the whole place was. And so we're used to doing that. And so we assume if I do a search and it's not something on which Google is curated and is biased, it's just going to find the information. It's going to find it out there for me. And then you go to a chat button, you assume that's what's happening. But especially if you're using a free version, that is not what is happening. It's not doing this kind of real-time search.

It's been trained on a huge amount of data. And then for the free version, it's actually this, I'm not sure how much, it's like, it's, think it's searching like a terabyte of data or something like that. It's a much smaller ⁓ bit of what it was trained on. And so it's kind of a summary. It's like a bad memory of a whole bunch of experiences, but you don't have all the experiences in your mind. Right. And then it does a lot of things and inferential steps.

And it's, they're all, so far as I know, or the majority of them are optimized. Remember they're called chat bots, right? They're not called search bots. And so they had different, you know, different ones that are optimized for different things. Like Claude is optimized to deescalate conversations. That's great. Others are just designed to kind of be pleasing to you. And so they tell you kind of what you want to know. And so if I'm a Christian and it knows that from the search or it might test this out, it's going to, it's going to answer certain questions.

Allan CP (: 19:20

differently.

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Dr. Jay Richards (: 19:21

It wants me to have a good experience, right? And if it can kind of fulfill your expectations, that's very positive. Now it can also be an amazing research tool and I use it for that, but you need to know how to use it and be able to sort of follow out, follow the sources so that it's not giving you crazy stuff and hallucinations. And so, but if people think it's just a super fancy search engine, you know, that will answer you with pros rather than links, ⁓

they're gonna get messed up, you know? And so that's always the thing to realize. And so, yeah, you haven't really proved anything, though it's kind of fun that you can get it, you know, moving in a kind of a particular direction in that way.

Allan CP (: 20:04

Yeah. And that's the thing is some people, well, with what you do with, ⁓ you know, policy and everything like that, like even working with the Maha movement, like you have seen how big agro or big food can sometimes become corrupted. Absolutely. And so some people would say that's who they is. so that's, think, almost the sentiment of this is like, who is they when it comes to. Yeah.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 20:32

who's really in charge. Yeah, exactly. I mean, what's funny about AI is I think we kind of know. We actually know with big food and big pharma too. They have names. I can tell you they are. It's not that secret, right? It's kind of obvious. But in this case, the truth of matter is I am genuinely worried about this technology. I'm trying to kind of deflate some of these fears. I don't think are founded well founded. ⁓

Allan CP (: 20:33

Yes, yes, with AI.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 20:59

but I'm worried about this in the way I'm worried about a lot of things that are sort of brand new that we introduce into the human experience or environment, which might have, you know, they might serve some positive good, but it's like, look, if something's been in the human food supply for thousands of years, let's say animal fat, right? And cows have been eating grass and things like this. And then we introduce some completely different kind of fat that we've produced from something that's not oily through an industrial process, scare everybody about the animal fat, tell them to eat this thing instead.

there's a discordance between the kind of way we're designed for the natural environment and this new thing you've introduced that is brand new. That doesn't mean it's gonna kill you, but my view is that, okay, we wanna give the benefit of the doubt to the thing that's been tested by history and really raise the criteria before we substitute that or use some brand new thing we've just invented and substitute it. And so that's...

And so there's a, here with technology, there is a discordance between what humans are used to. We're not used to speaking to giant crowds, right? For most of history, people knew like 15 to hundred people living near them. And now everybody's, you know, it's like having a

Allan CP (: 22:12

I'm sad if only 1500 people see a video.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 22:14

Exactly, we're performing to the world that everybody's doing this. Same thing with AI, this stuff is moving really, really fast. And so even if it's an amazing tool, I can only imagine what the kind of discordance that's going to be involved between this technology and the really kind of way we're designed as biological organisms. That's what I worry about. I also worry about the ⁓ unjust and corrupting concentrations of power by wealthy, powerful people that do what.

People will do if they get too much power for the most part, right? That's a real concern. And the question is, okay, how best do we mitigate that? How do we sort of avoid that? And probably the best thing to do is to have lots of different entities and organizations and people developing these things. So there's a genuine competition. And that is what we have right now with these chatbots is different companies and firms and billionaires, you know, building these things competitively. And so I think that's much better than if it was one, absolutely.

I shouldn't say much better. It's better in kind than if we had one global central power, ⁓ you know, sort of running it, which, I have no doubt in my mind that intelligence agencies would like to control all this stuff, but it's really, moving too fast for almost anyone. And it's definitely moving probably too fast for regulatory purposes because the regulatory process in Washington DC, it's inherently slow and it should be slow, right? That's a part of our constitution.

Allan CP (: 23:41

You

it to be tough?

Dr. Jay Richards (: 23:42

Yeah, exactly. It's like if it's a bad idea, you wanted some time to test it. But if you said, okay, we're gonna create a rule and the FCC is gonna have a rule for comment, you got 60 days to submit comments, and then you're go through this whole rule-making process, like three years from now, we have an AI rule. They're gonna be dealing with some other technology three years from now, and it's almost certainly going to be obsolete.

You know, and so that's the difficulty. so they probably, probably regulators, if there are things to be regulated, it's going to need to be something more general and abstract or moral. Like, okay, we're going to make it a crime to do certain things.

Allan CP (: 24:21

using someone's likeness for an ad or

Dr. Jay Richards (: 24:23

Yeah, exactly.

And so that's a general thing that's grounded in a moral principle that we can and should legislate focus on that. Yeah. Cause my worry is that I can tell in DC, I just could tell lots of people I'll say, Gen Xers and boomers. I'm a Gen Xer. So I can speak about myself ⁓ when they're talking about AI or talking about chatbots and almost don't realize that, you know, that's not the only thing. ⁓ It's just the thing that's sort of freaking us out right now.

Allan CP (: 24:47

Yeah.

for sure. you had mentioned as a GenXer how GenXers and Boomers are using or at least viewing AI. I know that you're much more well versed than majority of Xers.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 25:03

I mean, you know, cause I've looked at it and studied this stuff, you know.

Allan CP (: 25:07

Yeah, which I don't think generations always define how we view things of course. So I wanted to touch this last video of Sam Altman and what he had to say about how Gen Z and Millennials are using Charter BT and then maybe dive into how people in general could be using ⁓ different AI.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 25:27

you like talk to an average 20 year old and watch how they use chat GPT. And then you go talk to like an average 35 year old and how they use it or some other service. And like the difference is unbelievable. It reminds me of like, you know, when the smartphone came out and like every kid was able to use it super well and older people would just like took like three years to figure out how to do basic stuff. And then of course people integrate, but this sort of like generational divide on AI tools right now is crazy. And I think companies are just another symptom of that.

That stuff I think is all cool and impressive. And there's this other thing where like they don't really make life decisions without asking like chat, GBT, what they should do gross oversimplification, but like older people use chat. GPT is a Google replacement. Maybe people in their twenties and thirties use it as like a life advisor, something. then like people in college use it as an operating system.

Allan CP (: 26:14

Is that a problem?

Dr. Jay Richards (: 26:16

Well, it's definitely a, it's a problem in, this has actually been true for decades because technology changes so quickly. ⁓ for most of human history, it was of course the elders that were smarter and wiser and were teaching children things. And of course that is true on, a lot of things, but in terms of learning new technology, everybody knows that when you're young, there's a window of opportunity. can learn a language, each of us learns a language with the accent that's native to where we are.

As long as we learn it, you know, as a child, but if you learn foreign languages and adults, you're almost always going to have an accent, right? And it's harder to learn. Um, and so there are these windows of opportunity. And so think part of it is that, yeah, if you first encounter something when you're five, it's going to be native to you in a way that is not if you're 35, when you first encounter it. So some of that is just, that's the, the rapidity of, of change. So that there's now this inversion where it's the young that are more likely to understand how to use a tool.

⁓ than, people that are older than them. So I think it's just a mismatch because of the speed of change. ⁓ but it's also super worrying because for instance, if young people are using the chat bots for life advice, that to me just seems like a bad idea to me. I mean, it's going to tell you something, but, ⁓ I think it's really good for summarizing documents and, you know, kind of a first over.

or once over lightly, you know, of a particular subject that I know a lot about. so I just think people, these will be powerful tools. And as a result, the powerful, they're ubiquitous, at least the free versions are free. And so people are gonna misuse these for a lot of things. And I really think if you're a parent of young children, grab ahold of the steering wheel on this stuff. Don't just allow your child.

During this moment, right, in their brain's development to be exposed to this stuff without you being in complete control, I don't think young kids should have access to these kinds of interactive screens at all. And I'm not a Luddite. just think that we have lot of good reasons, things about idea. We're getting lots of data on this. And our intuitions are being confirmed by data. And so...

Allan CP (: 28:24

Science is... isn't science backing that?

Dr. Jay Richards (: 28:32

That's what really needs to happen. so it's calling on, it's millennials and Gen Zers are the ones having the kids, right? And I know I have family members, I've heard them talk that, you know, they're like, no way are our children ever going to, you know, have smart phones until they're 50, right? And they're the ones that, yeah, when you're young.

Allan CP (: 28:53

is we have more options for our kids right like there's watches there's programmable phones that only call mom and dad

Dr. Jay Richards (: 29:00

That's right. Yeah. So you've got choices. You just need to, you've got to own that. You use your agency and don't feel like, ⁓ I'm, you know, my children are missing out. know, you're the one that God has put in charge of those kids.

Allan CP (: 29:14

missing out then you're just not having enough fun. You gotta take the family.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 29:17

Find

something else to do.

Allan CP (: 29:20

Yeah,

well, ⁓ one of the things that I thought about when you said, know, definitely the life advisor thing, because I have seen a lot of that, especially with the college age, because I mean, so I've worked in student ministry before and you you hear these high schoolers, you know, when you ask them, ⁓ who's holding you accountable? And it's like, my best friend. It's like, well, your best friend also isn't married successfully for 10 years. So maybe you should have, you know, like the proverb says, right?

Um, where we're supposed to be amongst wise counsel and a plurality of counselors. That's right. Um, and so I think that's one of the dangers with AI is, mean, I can't lie. I've used it in the sense of let me flesh out a thought, but you have to learn how to prompt in the sense of. You need to be self-aware or, know, and say, Hey, just so you know, these are, these are things that ways that I think I just would love to flesh out some options before I take these thoughts to humans.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 30:04

That's right. That's a skill.

Allan CP (: 30:17

that can speak into my life.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 30:18

Exactly, no, I think these are gonna be amazing tools and really, know, ⁓ productivity enhancers when properly used. That's the key thing. it is going to, like, I was a college professor for years ⁓ and this is going to require change in the way we test kids. I think there's gonna be a heck of a lot more real-time writing and, you know, with either on a computer that's not connected to the internet or, you know, by hand. And I think you're gonna have to, we're gonna have to just do a lot more.

oral examinations in which students have to synthesize in real time what they've learned. That's much more intense. It's actually a much better test of competency. it's just, yeah, it's kind of a drag. ⁓ Yeah, but the age of, you know, certain ways of testing, it's just going to be so easy to game with these technologies.

Allan CP (: 31:07

Well, I appreciate you just reacting to some of those videos and I mean, you always have such great takes. ⁓ I wanted one last one, if that's cool. Okay. ⁓ What do you see with AI and cryptocurrency, if it will ever be able to predict that type of the trajectory of certain

Dr. Jay Richards (: 31:30

mean so like AI will ever be able to predict, you know, the rising and the falling of the price. Yeah. mean, we're of course, we're using this, you know, we're using technology now to do this. Yeah. But I do think, ⁓ and I think at a certain level, it will, you know, maybe we'll get slightly better, but I think that these are, they're complex systems, not in this, the simple sense that they're really complicated, right? The supply chain for an iPhone is really complicated, but yeah, you know, it works.

Allan CP (: 31:35

Nancy Pelosi,

Dr. Jay Richards (: 32:00

they're complex systems though. And what that means is that you can't figure out the whole from studying the parts. You cannot understand a butterfly since we keep talking about the butterfly effect or a bumblebee or a human being, ⁓ by studying chemistry, right? Your body is made up of, I don't know, maybe a $2 worth of chemicals or something.

But that's, you can know everything about that. You don't know a darn thing about biology or an organism or a person. And so that's what I think is happening in complex markets is it's intelligence. There's an intelligence that's represented there, but it's lots and lots of actors, all of whom have free agency, at least some degree of free agency, right? And so I think the capacities for predicting are always going to be limited precisely because it's that kind of a complex system. It's a type of market.

And as Hayek, I think rightly pointed out, you know, there are these kinds of extended orders of complexity that just, don't submit to prediction in the way that a, you know, a physical system that's mostly deterministic does.

Allan CP (: 33:07

Well, thank you so much for joining us today. So thank you for, yeah, I love having these conversations with you. God bless you. You too. Bye.

Dr. Jay Richards (: 33:12

Yeah, it's fun. Thanks.