"The Hidden Engineering Inside Your Body" ft. Dr. Howard Glicksman

Allan CP (: 00:00

Well, Dr. Glicksman, thank you so much for joining us today on the Science Lemon Podcast.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 00:04

Thanks, great to be here Allan.

Allan CP (: 00:06

My audience is going to be ⁓ very blessed today in this conversation, especially after seeing the work that you've done, listening to some of the work that you've done with Discovery Institute. And ⁓ I've been familiarized with you, but for those people that haven't, could you give us just a rundown on who you are, how you got to working on what you're working on, as well as, ⁓ yeah, just introducing yourself to us.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 00:33

Yeah, well, I'm originally from Toronto, go Blue Jays, they're in the world series. Uh, and I went to medical school in Toronto and practiced there and then moved down to Florida. I've been living in Florida for over 40 years. My background is I'm a secular Jew, uh, growing up in a home where God was never mentioned. So, uh, as I came into my teens, I had no understanding of creator or creation. So when I was in, um, uh, freshman year of science, uh, freshman science, I remember learning about, uh,

Darwin and being told that everything came from chemicals and they somehow developed into cells and then the cells organize themselves into multicellular organisms like us. And I remember thinking, well, I guess there is no God, but it really didn't rock my world because you know, God wasn't, you know, it wasn't, God wasn't in my life. It wasn't following a religion. But a few years later, ⁓ I was sitting in ⁓ my senior class for biology and was looking into the textbook about all the different parts of the eye and the ear.

And I remember thinking to myself, there's no way this didn't come from nothing. There, know, there's the Darwinists are over extrapolating and oversimplifying things. And at that moment, uh, you know, I became a believer in a Supreme being God, um, and, um, recognized that the Darwinists were wrong. Um, and so that's, that was the beginning. Uh, and then, um, went to medical school and certainly learned how the body works and how easy it is to die. realize that.

Darwinism, the gradualism of Darwin, everything happening one step at a time to make sense. And then about 20 years ago or more, I was invited to a talk on intelligent design. I learned about it. It was the C.S. Lewis Society Clearwater. I picked up a book. Yes, yes. He was the one. He was one presenting. Yeah. And I have met him. Yeah. We've spoken. We've been to different conferences. So.

Allan CP (: 02:17

Tom Woodward.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 02:27

So when I was there, I, picked up Dr. Michael Beehy's book, uh, Darwin's black box. And of course, what he's referring to there, the Darwin's black box, a black box is basically for scientists, uh, machines or, you know, uh, systems that really don't understand how it works. Like for me, uh, you know, an iPhone is a black box. I press the button, it works. That's great. Uh, but for the, for the Darwin, was the cell. That's what he's referring to. And of course, in that book, he talks about irreducible complexity. The idea that.

A lot of systems in the body have like this or like irreducible complexity is a system that has a, it consists of, ⁓ you know, purple, it's a purple purposeful arrangement of parts of which if anyone is missing, you know, falls apart. And for me as a physician in that book, what struck me was he goes through the clotting mechanisms, the clotting system, but you have to at least 10 or 12 clotting factors and also anticlotting factors. And as a physician, I know that if you don't have enough, if you don't have enough of

any one of them or they're not working right. And we're talking about clotting factors and anti-clotting factors. Uh, then either, know, you're either going to die from a hemorrhage, a spontaneous GI bleed or bleed in the brain, or you can end up clotting off all your arteries and veins and die of a heart attack, stroke, or quads to to the lung. So, uh, immediately, you know, it struck a chord with me and I was very fascinated that doctors were actually, me, scientists were actually writing.

⁓ about intelligent design and the sort of the instinct that I had ever since I was a kid. So I realized that once again, Iridescent Complexity pretty well showed ⁓ that Darwinism, the gradualism was pretty well impossible. So never thought I'd be writing about it, but that was the beginning of ⁓ my interest. I read several books by Dr. Dembski and ⁓ Charles Saxon, cetera.

that really got me into intelligent design. And at that point, I became a Christian maybe 10 years before that. I think the Lord was pointing me in a direction of, where does He want to use me? But I wasn't, you know, I was surprised at what happened later, so yeah.

Allan CP (: 04:36

So you're at the time a believer, ⁓ you're now being introduced to intelligent design and a practicing doctor as well. Right. these worlds are colliding. ⁓ And so could you just dive into some of that? Like, how is it impacting how you communicate science to your patients?

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 04:57

So yeah, so the way I got into writing about this was before, ⁓ even before I went to, before I knew about intelligent design, ⁓ I'm a general practitioner. So I dealt with a lot of patients in the office with every kind of condition, know, emphysema, high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, et cetera. And of course, over the years, you develop a way of communicating with these patients. have to explain and try to get it down, get out of the medical ease and get it down to their level. I don't mean dumbing it down just so they understand it.

And I would, and I explain how all these systems work, especially when they're sick and they're having a problem and then you're going to use medication for them. So you're trying to explain why they need to do what they're doing, why the medicine works and what we're looking for. and usually when I would finish explaining to them, I would say, okay, you now this, I know this as well as I do. And so to the point where I'd actually written little articles, cause I kept doing this so many times, I wrote little articles and I had this little, ⁓ little do a tang folder in my office with about eight or 10 little articles about.

blood sugar and high blood, know, control blood pressure, et cetera. And a lot of times I'd walk in and the patient would be reading them and then they'd often say, Hey, can I get a copy of all these? This is great. I even had one pick, even one patient once says, this is very spiritual, you know? and.

Allan CP (: 06:11

Every doctor should have something that explains that stuff because then we walk in knowing some jargon and having some understanding. So props to you for thinking ahead and having that for your patients.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 06:22

Yeah. So it was, ⁓ yeah. And typically what would happen is when I would have these discussions with the patients and I'm going through, say, you know, how the body controls, pressure, you know, going through all the different things that works. then at the end, I always, always would joke with them and say, yeah, you know, we've been told that this all comes from, ⁓ you know, from nothing or sort of just a random chance. And we both laugh together, you know? so having done that and written about this, ⁓ about, ⁓ 20 years ago or so.

my son got married in Kansas and, ⁓ we went to the wedding and around that time is the early two thousands. there had been some controversy. It was always controversial whether Darwinism, intelligence, I should be taught in science classes, et cetera. particularly in. Yeah. And so that came up apparently in Kansas around that time. And, so was talking to my, my son's, you know, newly minted, ⁓ brother-in-law because he was sort of, you know, in high, he was in high school at the time. We just got talking about how, because it was Kansas.

Allan CP (: 07:05

Yeah

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 07:21

brought this up to him. were talking, cause I now I knew about intelligence design for a year or two. And he brought up, he mentioned as we were talking about this, he mentioned that his, had a couple of relatives that were anthropologists, me, physical anthropologists, as he sort of said, you know, they build, they, they, uh, they dig up, uh, human bones and serve, you know, and, and use this to study human evolution. I remember thinking myself after that, I thought, well, you gotta be kidding me. You know, like we're using, we're still using looking at bones, you know, even fossils that you think about it, you know,

Uh, for, for evolution. mean, we understand how the body works at the molecular level. This is gross anatomy. Okay. And, uh, you know, that would be, you know, looking at bones and saying, well, how did the, how did helping with human evolution would be to me, it would be looking at like an airplane, uh, and saying, looking at the cockpit and the, uh, wings and the fuselage and the tail section and saying, you know, explaining, well, this is where the, and that's all you look at to try to figure out where the airplane came from, but you're not considering modern metallurgy.

You know, electronics, jet propulsion and aerodynamics, from like aerospace engineering. So, um, at that point I started getting the idea that, you know, uh, Darwinism seems to basically just look at how life, excuse me, explainer talks about how life looks, but not how it actually works. And what came up in my mind at that time, right, right afterwards, in fact, I got up in the middle of the night and had this idea is great idea.

And I thought to myself, I'll set the setting for you. know, if you go and speaking of planes, if you go to a museum of, of, uh, you know, air and space museum at nationals in Smithsonian, Washington, DC, you can see exactly how the Wright brothers, you know, invented, invented the airplane and all the problems they had to have. And of course there's a whole bunch of other technology. You go to the, not only there, but also go to the Kennedy Space Center, rocketry, you know, they talk about the underlying, um,

laws of nature, got to get past gravity to be able to, for the, for the rocket to get out of the, you'd have enough acceleration to get out of the earth's atmosphere. And he had, and so the engineers, what they do is they basically have this thing about design, build and test. And they keep doing that. It's a cycle until they get it right. And it could be, I remember, think, I think Thomas Edison, I don't know how many times, several hundred times before he finally got the light bulb, but the same thing here. So you go to these places and.

You see these, this technology we have and what we're able to do in the airplane, et cetera. And, and we're supposed to be impressed and rightly so that these people with the calculations and the numbers and the testing, they finally figured it out. Okay. Now you go to the Smithsonian museum of natural history and you'll see all these different bones, you know, you'll see, and you'll see like bat wings and you'll see dolphins and fins. And then you go to the human evolution part, you know, human evolution, and you'll see all these.

skulls and ⁓ bones of humans. And that's it. And they compare them and we're looking at this incredible, you know, development, et cetera. And we're supposed to think, this just occurred, you know, by chance. Okay. Or trial and error type of stuff. And what I would really like to, so this is what, when I woke up, I had this idea because I said, well, I know as a physician and most scientists know this stuff.

I know this at a deeper level. know actually how it works. The question should be, well, where did those bones come from? How do bones form? All I'm seeing is the bones. once again, looking at the airplane and say, well, how did you build the airplane? How does it function, et cetera? So I had some answers to that. And basically I just quickly just give you two parts of that. The first thing is about bones. If you think about it, your body is 60 % water. Okay. Two thirds of that water is inside your cells and one third is outside your cells. So you have.

what's called the intracellular space. And I will add at this point that most of what you see in evolution discussion and even intelligent design talks about what's going on inside the cells. You're talking about DNA, proteins, enzymes, cetera. that's very important, right? But we're multicellular organisms, okay? So there's stuff that's going outside the cell as well. So in this example, I'm talking about ⁓ what, when I was putting the book together, ⁓

You know, our book is juror de design body with from three years ago. Now we have your amazing body and we have some videos out. Well, my coauthor is Steve Lofman and he's, he's an engineer and we got together about this and he kept asking me what's holding all this stuff together. You know, like because he says there's so much, why we were talking about how the body works. And of course what holds it together is connective tissue. ⁓ and what's in the connective tissue basically, which is outside the cell.

Uh, which is, it's called collagen. And most people are familiar with that college of spet protein. In fact, it's the, it's the commonest, uh, uh, protein in the body, but 30 % of your body consists of collagen. Cause you know, because water, know what had water does, you know, the wicked witch of the West, you know, she melted, right? I mean, that's water gives you no sport. So, so to carry from that is bone is a specialized type of connective tissue and, inside the bone, there's three different types of cells. have a cell that.

that to lay down the bone, then there's one that breaks it down again, and there's another type of cell that sort of supports them. And the one that lays down bone has the ability to, it sends out a type of collagen and then it lays down calcium using enzymes, it puts down calcium. This is how bone, this is how you end up getting bone and also make sure that it works properly, that it's hard enough, it's not breaking all the time.

Allan CP (: 12:54

mean,

even think about that. how- Of course. Just bones stays, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 12:58

Yeah. So the first question you say, well, okay, if gradualism works, you need three different types of cells to work in the bone. Right. First of all, how, where, how did they get there? How do they know what they're doing? How did it come together if you need three different types of cells? Okay. And this is the sort of thing was I love to see the Smithsonian, you put that right next to the bones. This is, this is how the body makes bones. Okay. But then there's something even more, just as important about this, which most people don't know. And that is the bones.

are the reservoir for your, calcium metabolism in the body. So it's very, very important that the calcium level in the fluid outside the cells, particularly in your blood stays within a certain range. And that I can tell you the numbers, 8.5 to 10.2 milligrams per deciliter. This comes down to numbers. This is what engineering is about. This is what life is about. comes down to numbers. If you don't have the right numbers, you're dead. If your calcium level drops down to about six, five or six, or it goes up to 14 or 15, every doctor knows you're dead. Why? Because.

the muscles and nerve cells, their ability to function is related to the calcium level in the blood. right? So that means...

Allan CP (: 14:04

why

this message like resonates because just you saying that made me just be like, I need to go find out what my costume levels are. Am I almost ranging towards a six or 14? Because it hits home. Yeah.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 14:17

Well, eight and a half to 12, mean, you, but you notice eight and a half to 12, 10, excuse me, to 10 is normal. If you're running seven and a half or 10 or 11, there's a lot of people that have what's, uh, what's called asymptomatic hypercalcimid, they'll be running about 10 and a half or 11. It's not serious if it gets really high. Okay. But the key thing here, here's the key thing about this. You have to control the calcium level. So besides having bones, right, you have to control the calcium level. How do you do that? Well, you have.

something called the parathyroid gland. So most people are familiar with the thyroid gland. It's an H shaped gland in the middle of your neck and each pole of the H, there's a parathyroid gland and they have, the, on the cell membrane, they have a receptor that could detect calcium. Well, where did that come from? All right. It detects the calcium level and based on that level, the gland cell, the cell sends out a hormone called parathyroid hormone or parathormone. right. And that hormone.

goes in the blood and it connects up, it goes in the bone and it has to attach to a specific receptor. The bone can't just do whatever it wants. It attaches a receptor there and so those cells that are breaking down and breaking down bone, when they break down the bone, they release a tiny amount of the blood. So basically if your calcium level starts to drop down, the parathyroid glands send out a bunch more parathyroid hormone.

It attaches, goes into those cells in the bone and it tells them just to release a little bit of calcium. It also goes to your kidneys, tells them to hold onto calcium from the urine production, tells the kidneys to, it tells the kid, here's another one that will blow you away, right?

Allan CP (: 15:55

There's just so much that has to go on right.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 15:59

Vitamin, most people say I need vitamin D. What most people don't understand is vitamin, when you take vitamin D, it has to go to the liver. The liver adds a hydroxyl group to the 25th carbon. Okay. Fine. It's not ready to work yet. Then it goes to the kidney. The kidney has to add a hydroxyl group, ⁓ an ⁓ oxygen and hydrogen. It can add it to the 24th carbon or the first carbon. If it adds it to the 24th carbon, vitamin D doesn't work.

If it has the first carbon, it works. becomes activated vitamin D parathyroid hormone goes to the kidney and tells that kidney to make more activated vitamin D. What does that do? It goes to the gastrointestinal system and tells it to bring in more calcium because normally you maybe 10 to 30 % of the calcium you eat does not get absorbed very well. So it can really increase that better. so you have this whole system, you these two systems going on and that is what's really going on in those bones. When you go to the Smithsonian.

And you look at those bones, those two things are going on and there's never mentioned, right? It's just, so all you're seeing is how life looks and not how it actually works. And this is what motivated me to say, I got to, of course I was very naive. I didn't realize how ensconced, you know, materialism was in science. I was like stupid. just thought, well, you know, my, patients get it, right? Everyone I've ever spoken to gets it. Once I explained this to go, yeah, that's crazy. Forget it. You know, there's no way trial and error.

Allan CP (: 17:25

Get

that.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 17:26

You got to get the three different bone cells. got to get think about the control system You have to have that you have to have the receptor, right? You have to have the ability to make parathyroid hormone You have to have the excuse me. You have to have the calcium sensor Detects the detects

Allan CP (: 17:42

What's making all these decisions? Exactly. ⁓

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 17:45

Yeah.

And then it has to do it right. So you're talking about control, but also functional capacity that it actually does it. that's what McMabee started writing about it. And, ⁓ and so that's what could be down that road. ⁓ that's.

Allan CP (: 17:59

I mean, so when you talk to someone like myself who isn't a scientist and you're making it make sense to us, right? And you already, you talked about the bones. What are things, like what are your top three ways that you like to make it make sense as far as your design body when it comes to people like myself that really resonate with us?

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 18:24

Well, uh, yeah, that ties in exactly with what I was thinking about talking about. So, so yeah, no, no, it was a very good question. Um, because you know what? Uh, as I told you, when I met Steve Loughlin, we started talking about this because he read my stuff and the stuff I was writing online. I had an 81 part series on evolution news, uh, about 10 years ago. And what happened was I would, the way I wrote about this was totally different than you'll read from anybody else.

I didn't write just about the chemical, about the systems. actually got down to the numbers and the equations. Maybe I should have been an engineer. ⁓ he called me and said, Howard, you're writing about medicine, but you don't realize you're also writing about engineering. And up until that time, because remember, as I said to you, he said the two things he made me do, which I didn't want to do. Number one, he's, because I had never written about connective tissue before he, and that was prompted by him kept asking me, you know,

How did, what holds all this stuff together? And the second thing was, what's in the book is we actually talked about development, embryonic development, which I'm not a neodymotologist. So I never thought about that since I was in medical school, but his question was, how do you build this from the ground up? Right. Yeah. And what struck me at that moment, this is why the engineering perspective of biology is so important is as a physician, I was just taking for granted that the body's there. So my job is to keep it going. I don't have to build it.

Right. The biologists talk about this. They have no experience in engineering or design. Right. But the engineers do, and this is why he kept that. And I learned so much from him. So up until that time, I used to give Darwin the benefit of the doubt and say, you know, I used to give him some slack and say, you know what, the guy was growing, he was great at observation. But.

And he, and he didn't know how the cell worked, like this, which is the basis, Darwin's black box. And he didn't know how the body worked. But I realized now after speaking to Steve for many years, what we thought, you know, if the guy would have spoken to a few engineers, don't forget he, he's in the middle of the industrial, and I'm going to give you an example why he's in the middle of the industrial revolution. Okay. They're building, it's like steam engines. Okay. If he had spoken to a few engineers, he would have realized that gradualism doesn't work. In fact.

What he was concentrating on was adaptation, not assembly. He was talking about once the thing's up and going, right. And then he's extrapolated exactly what I, what I had guessed when I was 18 years old, 17, 18 years old, he extrapolated backwards to say, you can build it. Well, the guy wasn't an engineer, he's a biology person. Okay. He didn't build, so if he had spoken to someone, I said, well, here's my example.

If you hold your breath, right? What happens within a few seconds? You're being told to breathe. You're getting a message to breathe. So we have these urges to breathe, to drink. We get thirsty, to drink. We get hungry. Now, and Darwin must have experienced this, right? I'm asking you, right? He may not have understood the underlying mechanisms of what was going on in the body. Okay. But he knew he had to satisfy these urges for survival. Okay. Because I can tell you.

No oxygen, no new supply of oxygen. know you're dead, you die in four minutes because the body can't store oxygen and it's, it's needed for it is so much that, you know, four minutes and you die. Water. Well, you can get diet dehydration. So the body is always, it's called insensible water loss, you know, from sweating and when you breathe out, know, water vapor and your kidneys are always making a certain amount of urine because the body has to get rid of a certain amount of nitrogen from the body. So.

Generally, if you don't take any fluid in, you're losing about a liter of water a day and you die if you lose about 20 to 25 % of your blood, excuse me, water. So that's why if someone doesn't drink at all, they usually die within seven to 10 days. And then with respect to sugar, you could, you can, uh, you know, if you don't eat, starve, you can starve to death, but usually the starvation, may be several weeks, a month or two, uh, it's usually due to infection because the immune system, uh,

Yeah, breaks down. It breaks down. not, so usually due to an infection. So he knew all these, he should have known all this, right? Okay. Wow. So, you you need oxygen, sugar for energy. You need water. Basically we know because ⁓ for the cells to work properly and also you have to have enough water for your blood volume and blood flow. Okay. So these are all iridescent complex. So ask yourself this, we've got these three urges, breathe, drink, eat. Which one came first? Gradualism, right?

First of all, where do they come from? How do they work? Right. And which one came first? How could, how could, you know, he's talking about this, everything gradually. Okay. As I said, engineers, steam engines, they had, you know, they had these boilers and pistons and cylinders and pressure gauges and control valves to make sure the thing didn't blow up and maybe it worked properly. Okay. Today, today, the, nowadays, I think I would tell you the example would be your car. Okay.

You got these, you got the dashboard, you got these gauges. tells you how much gas you got in the car. How's the oil doing? How's the temperature, temperature doing in the engine block? Okay. And then so you may have an issue with antifreeze or the radiator may have a problem with, you know, ⁓ the oil pressure, et cetera, and are they calibrated properly? Okay. All these things, right. Take for granted. So that's an example. So I want to go back. So when you have this urge to breathe, what's going on, you have sensors in the main art is going up.

from your neck going into your brain that detect oxygen and carbon dioxide. And inside the brain, you actually have sensors for carbon dioxide. And so when you hold your breath, if you hold your breath and you start feeling you got to breathe, right? Your body is using cellular respiration. uses up oxygen and sugar for energy. so as you're holding your breath, the oxygen level starts to drop down a bit, the carbon dioxide level starts to rise. And these sensors send this message to somebody called the respiratory center.

right in your in the brain stem and it's somehow it knows

Allan CP (: 24:26

Like an alarm starts to go off in your body.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 24:29

And somehow it must know what your level should be right and

Allan CP (: 24:34

So people that are holding their breath for like six minutes, they've just trained that part of their body to like, all right, don't pay attention to the alarm. But regardless, that's what's going on in us is the second we start holding it for 20 seconds, 30 seconds is your body, your body just knows, hey, we're about to get into dangerous territory if we don't start breathing.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 24:55

Now, Allan, you better start breathing. That's crazy. It's exactly you. So while they're doing that, their oxygen levels dropping down and the carbon dioxide levels rising. It's, but it, but here's the key thing. It gives you lots of warning. All right. It's not like, it's not like, imagine if you, it's, know what? It's sort of like you're driving your car and you got to figure out when to put the brakes on. Like, you know, you can time it, right? So that you're set up, your body is set up that you got lots of warning. The same thing with thirst. Okay. What ends up happening is if you, let's say you're working outside or.

playing outside, it's, it's humid outside. haven't drank anything. So you're sweating and, so your body loses fluid. All right. The cells in your body, they shrink a little bit and you actually have something called shrink sensitive cells called osmo receptors. It's in the hypothalamus in the brain and it's sensitive to that. And all you have to do is lose about one or 2 % of your, of the water in your body. And it sends out a signal, like you said, like an alarm. Perfect.

Yeah. Yeah. And it sends a message and it turns on certain hormones, but it also tells, sends a message to your thirst center and you got a third center. Where did that come from? Right. You know, and it tells you and it makes it signals you or in the same thing with hunger. does many signals for the, for the hunger center, probably the two biggest is a drop in sugar. And then your stomach, you actually have, you have receptors in your stomach when your stomach is, you know, it doesn't, isn't full, then they're always sending messages, et cetera. So you've got all this stuff working together. Okay.

And, and, and once you, and so you're basically, you have to have, uh, the sensor, you have to have what's called control logic, the respiratory center deciding, okay, you need to breathe. You had to have a signal, which is the thirst or, you know, to breathe or eat. And then there's an effector, you have to do something about it. And once you do that, the body takes it from there. So, you know, each of these systems, besides, uh, each of the systems themselves that they control breathing.

you know, eating, drinking, et cetera. They're irreducibly complex. You can't control something if you don't have a sensor. You can't control something if you got the, if you can detect it, but you don't know if it's good or bad. Okay. And then, and then you have to have a signal, et cetera. So this is engineering. Okay. And this is what I was writing about before. And this is why Steve picked up on it says, this is exactly what we do. And we said, well, we need to put together a book that explains everything. We literally go through every aspect of the body. So.

How could you have developed gradually, right? And how does the body know what the level should be? So this is what was amazing to me. ⁓

Allan CP (: 27:23

I can only imagine, cause you're talking about the extracellular, right? And then you also have all your colleagues that speak about the intracellular and how both have to have existed at the same time as well. That's right. In order to break down and yeah.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 27:39

Well, basically what's happening is the key thing to keep in mind when you talk about estrus, let's go back. got to, I'll just explain a bit. A unicellular organism, like an amoeba, right? One cell, right? It can get what it, it gets what it needs and it can get rid of what it doesn't need from its environment. Okay. So once, know, cell or, you know, bacteria or whatever, it gets the sugar and water, needs whatever, sugar, water, whatever, and oxygen, whatever it needs, it can just grab in, right?

And then usually the commonest by toxic byproduct is ammonia and, and carbon dioxide and just releases it. Right. The problem in the body, multicellular body, multicellular organism is you have no access to the environment. You know, I got air around me, not water. Even if I was in water, you know, my cells deep inside my body need that. So this is why you need all these systems. Okay. need the, know, the respiratory system, you need the GI system, et cetera. And they have, and they have to know the controls. It's so.

So basically what the cells are doing, you have 200 different types of cells, 11 or 12 different organ systems in the body. But what the, but what the cells are doing is benefiting, this is a truly, if you go back to the same problem, he talks about the, in first Corinthians, I think 12, he's talking about the body and all the different parts. They're all working with each other. Okay. So, so let me get, let me give you an example here because I think this will just blow you away. People just need to know this. Okay. Let's talk about, let's go back to the sugar. Okay.

So you need sugar for energy and the blood sugar level normally runs between about 70 and 100 milligrams per deciliter. So normally while you're sitting there, depending on when you ate last, but let's say it's been more than two or three hours, your sugar level runs. And if you go too low, if you drop under 20 milligrams per deciliter, you're dead, okay? Basically, if anyone listening has hypoglycemia, you know, they start feeling dizzy, a little weak, et cetera. So the sugar drops below 70 to 60, 55, et cetera, it's not good because why? There's a...

There's a reason for it because the brain needs more sugar to work properly. There's a limit to how much it's, it's like your car, your car's idling, fine, it's doing nothing. You want to go faster, you need gas. Okay. You got no gas, the car's dead, right? Blood sugar under 20, you're dead. All right. This is, these are the physical laws. This is the whole point about what I said that Darwinism talks about how the life looks, but not how it works, right? They never have, no part of their narrative has anything to do with death. Every time they have, they're assuming that.

this happened and this became this, this became that, that became that, right? There's never any discussion of what those, how that all works and they never talk about it not functioning and or, or reproducing. So let me just quickly tell you what happens when you eat something. You eat food, gastrointestinal system starts, intestine starts absorbing sugar. Sugar level starts to rise in your body. So let's say you're in your blood. So your 70 or 80 starts going up to 90, a hundred. Now you have these cells in your pancreas, people familiar with diabetes.

These cells, they're called the beta cells. Okay. Beta is Greek. Beta cells. here those cells, they, they're Mont, they have a sensor, glucose sensor on the cell membrane. So somehow they're able to detect the sugar. And when the sugar level starts to rise, they said, ⁓ we're supposed to send out, they send out insulin. Okay. So this is my example of what I'm saying is that these cells are doing something for the body. The effect it's having is nothing to, well, it really has nothing to do with the beta cell. can use sugar, but it's

putting out insulin to help the body. Why? Because the insulin, which is a hormone, goes in the blood and it goes to several places, muscles, et cetera. But the key thing it does is it goes to the liver. It attaches to a specific insulin receptor in the liver cell, like a key in a lock. And when it does that, it tells that cell, you know what? You got all that sugar out there. I want you to bring it in. We got lots of sugar, but we're going to need to store it. I want you to bring it in and store it as something called glycogen. It's like, you know, like

starch, think of it like potatoes or something in your liver cell. Okay. So, or rice, whatever your favorite starch. So that's what it tells it to do. Okay. So what typically happens is after you eat, the sugar starts, level starts to rise, may go up to 90, 100, 110. The beta cell sends out more insulin and what over the next hour or two is that's occurring. Your body's using up sugar, but it's also storing it. Eventually, you know, it settles down, right? And then as that, as the level starts coming back down, the beta cell says,

That's enough. turns off. Now let's go to three in the morning. You haven't eaten. Well, it depends if you were partying a lot, but let's assume. tend to fat. know we're into these fats. works really great. My wife and I fast about 15 hours. I usually eat about five or six o'clock. Don't eat till about eight or nine the next morning. It's great. Anyway, but what's going on at three in the morning, right? There's no sugar. What's going on? What's going to happen, right? How is it going to work? Well, it so happens that in the pancreas for somebody called the alpha cell.

Okay. There's beta and alpha beta is called an alpha cell. Most people aren't aware of this. Okay. It's called an alpha cell. It also can detect the sugar level. Isn't that interesting? It has a glucose sensor. It does the reverse when the sugar level starts to drop down to 90, 80, 70, it sends out a hormone called glucagon. Okay. Glucagon, right. The glucagon goes in the blood, goes to that. Remember that liver cell that just the insulin told it to store it goes to that same liver cell.

attack like a key in a lock, but it doesn't in the glucagon receptor, not the insulin receptor, because it's called glucagon. It goes in the glucagon receptor, by the way, that has 500 amino acids. The insulin receptor has about a thousand, but that's pretty complicated. Anyway. Yeah. And it tells the liver cell, you know that potato stuff, that rice, that starch, you just, if you store it because the insulin told you a few hours ago, well, we need it now because there's no sugar around, we need it. Right. So, so what that does is.

The liver then releases the sugar. basically the liver, normal liver has enough sugar in it for about a day or more if you fasted totally. Okay. So here you have two systems. This is, this is how you, this is what's going on all the time. This is like a balancing act. So you have to ask yourself, now, how does this work? First of all, you have to have a glucose sensor, right? It has to be calibrated. Just like I said, the fuel gauge, if you fuel gauge on your, on your, um, in your dashboard, if you really are running an empty, but it says it's a hat, you know, hat, you know,

You're half full. got a problem, right? Then, then you have the beta and alpha cell and they have to respond right. Cause as the sugar comes back out, sorry, it alpha cell turns off. So you got this back and forth thing. So you have to have the proper cells doing the right thing at the right time. Then you've got the receptors in the liver and how are they responding? Are they responding properly? As you may know, type two diabetes, type one diabetes is lack of insulin. Type two diabetes is generally, it's a resistance at the receptor level, maybe other issues.

⁓ but, that, that's a problem. Okay. And then the question becomes when those hormones go out and do their job, how long does it, does it, is it effective? It's only usually for a few minutes because you have enzymes breaking down those, those messages. So it's very complicated, you know, it's, and this is, and so now you've got this basically coherent system of all these different parts made the right way, doing the right things, all working together. And knowing what is, and this is what we call what in our book, Steve Duelfman's song is called the

push pull principle where you have two different systems back and forth to balance just like the clotting and anti-clotting factors. Okay. Same thing here, back and forth. And so how, how do you get, how do you get a system like this from gradual from go and. So, but the reason why, because so if you look online and you, and you look at it, cause I've done this before I've written articles and I say, okay, what do they say? Well.

They never really talk about this. They'll, they'll isolate it. This is they may be talking about the receptor. They may talk about the insulin. They may talk about the glucose sensor, but they never put it all together. So, know, you need all these together, together, you need all of them for it to work. It's irreducibly complex. Besides that it has to be controlled and it has to funk because you could have an irreducibly complex system and still not work right. Right. Still causes death. Right.

You or you've got some sort of defect. So it has to work right. has to have the functional capacity. You know what? think the equivalent would be like you build a dump truck, but you put a, an engine in it with a horsepower for a go-kart. I mean, it's steerer, you're a disability complex, but it's not going to work. Right. And that's what, and that's what Steve and I, we talk about with respect to, cause I'm not only a GP, but I've been a hospice physician for 20 years. I know all the different ways you can die. Okay. All the.

Allan CP (: 36:14

I saw a video of yours on it was like a billions of ways to die. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 36:21

Well, so the point here is what I just explained about sugar, right? The same complicated system, ⁓ for, for oxygen, carbon dioxide, for calcium, mentioned calcium for potassium. And each one, each one has, if either of them are off, you die. So in other words, you could have everything normal, but your temperature goes what? To 106, 107, you die. Right? Everything can be normal. Suddenly your blood pressure drops or it goes too high and you bleed in the brain. So.

or your sodium or your potassium goes out, but everything else is normal, right? they're called like coherent interdependent systems. You have a systems of systems basically, right? That anyone goes wrong, you die. And so none of that is in the neo-Darwinian narrative and no one asks them those sort of things. And that's what's very frustrating to me. So that's why I started writing about it. And that's why I'm here.

Allan CP (: 37:13

That's why I love that. I love how you, your message is on the human anatomy because it's personal. I understand it now. I see the way that everything has to interact. mean, often our diets, our lifestyles, fasting, sleeping, all these things have to be working properly. If I don't sleep enough, I can also have health issues which then cause me to have, ⁓ you know, bad gut problems and then end up getting diabetes.

So much can go wrong so fast.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 37:45

And the other thing that's interesting besides everything in the body is also we're finding about everything in the biosphere is related to us as well. mean, this, you know, this is, yeah. ⁓ you know, the biome, the GI biome and how it affects the nervous system. mean, this is all new to me as well. You know, I've been a hospice doctor over 20 years, so I've been out of the office, ⁓ with respect to that, but this is the, the, the, ⁓ holistic or the, functional medicine people.

Allan CP (: 38:10

The gut microbiome affecting are ⁓ a lot of people having autoimmune diseases and stuff like that.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 38:17

Right. And how it affects everything in the body and how these bacteria are doing things that benefit us. You it really comes from scripture. mean, I seem to remember, where does it say like every leaf is like a medicine for us and everything's, everything's out there. So, um, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's just great. And it's very, you need to understand that as I've been writing about this stuff, you know, I'm on my, this has got to put you on your knees when you, when you're trying to explain how this works and you say, Lord, you're just awesome. I mean, this is just.

Imagine what I just discussed about the bones, how that's working, how it deposits calcium and then it takes it back up. Exactly. Yeah. It's, it's, you know, one of the things I left out is that the, reason why the calcium level in the bloodstream has to be so, ⁓ where it is, is it has to be 10,000 times higher than it is inside the cell because for the nerve and muscle cells to work, the calcium entering it is a signal for it to function. And they actually have calcium, ⁓ pumps.

after they function, after muscle contracts or the nerve sends its neurotransmitter, then it has a calcium pump that pumps the calcium out, requires energy to do that to be able to get back into the system. all these questions, if people, if they just read this and understood it, this is why we try to explain it a level that people will understand it. Because most of this stuff, I I read, I sort of take this stuff and read the research and it's like really high powered. And then when they get into the molecules and the DNA and the proteins and describing them,

That's just a little beyond me. ⁓

Allan CP (: 39:48

I generally believe if people just learned more about this, the more you learn, the more you'll understand that there's no way, there's no chance that we were made by chance, that we didn't come from a designer.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 40:01

Well, think, I think the first, we have the three videos that they're out there. They're not, sorry. One video is out there. Another one is due to come out soon, but the video we have out right now is called engineered for oxygen. Okay. And it explains, ⁓ you know, why we already said, you know, rest, sell your respiration. Does your body use oxygen? So how does, so we explain how the oxygen comes into the lungs and you need to have these alveoli at once because you need to have enough. ⁓

surface area in the lung to bring in enough oxygen. But that's not enough. Once it gets in the blood, problem is that the water component of blood, right. oxygen doesn't dissolve well. So otherwise you can't transport. That's why you need hemoglobin. So the hemoglobin has to be made. So it explains that these are all, as we put it, it's called cascading problem and that's engineering. You got this problem. are we going to remember we talked about the unicellular and the multicellular organism. How are you going to get oxygen from the outside into the body? Okay. You got the lungs. Oh, you got it inside. Great. You put it in the blood.

big deal. can't dissolve well. Well, now we need a transport thing. Okay, we got hemoglobin. Well, now we got a problem. Hemoglobin has iron in it, right? It's the iron that actually attaches to oxygen. It grabs the oxygen. Well, but iron is toxic to the body. How are we going to deal with that? We would explain that. And then we got this problem like, okay, well, if I'm sitting around doing nothing, I'm fine. But when I start getting active, I need more oxygen. Just like your car, press the gas. You know, you need more fuel, more oxygen, et cetera. Well, the body automatically start breathing.

harder and faster, your heart starts pumping harder and faster. Where does that come from? I guess it's just trial and error, you know, that the body sort of figured it out somehow, you know, otherwise we'd be dead. Right. So, but at some level it's, I get it at some level, you have to say, once again, going back to the air and space museum compared to natural history, you know, as Steve says, and one of, think in the first video, he goes, you know, there's nothing that man has made that is anywhere close.

to biology and they were recognized as somebody called bio-myematics. The engineers are using what they see and how, how the biology works and how life works. And they're taking that and applying that because they say it's so yeah, ultimate engineering. Okay. And exactly. It's borrowed. And then we say, Hey, that works really well. Let's apply that. You know, here, for example, prosthetics. Okay. Yeah. Burgess from England is great. You know, he's a mechanical engineer. I mean, he was.

Allan CP (: 42:07

It's all borrowed engineering.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 42:25

He set up the, I think ⁓ he helped the mechanics of the bikes in a bicycle. So the British team has always done well in the Olympics. Maybe they won, I don't know. But also he also ⁓ engineered the mechanical arm, I think, for the equivalent of NASA in Europe. So he knows a lot about joints and some of the stuff he's written, he's talking about how they're trying to

prosthetic ankles or hands or all these sort of things. And he's just amazed. He's the guy actually doing it. The biologists are sort of saying, well, it's badly designed. What do they know? They never tried to it. It's all based on their ideology of assumption is materialism. it must have happened this one step at a time, but you're just amazed at how it works in the first place. And this is what we're up against. mean, people literally who have no engineering background.

Allan CP (: 43:23

Really, yeah. ⁓

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 43:24

Making them look not too bright, ⁓ maybe criticizing and critiquing how this, because they assume it must have happened one step at a time, but there's no way it could have.

Allan CP (: 43:39

Well, as far as, ⁓ you know, resources goes for our audience, I know that you mentioned your book, Your Amazing Body, right? And then also Your Body Designed.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 43:48

Yeah. So the first book was your design body. They're both on Amazon and that one's over 500 pages. I would start with your amazing, your amazing body, which is the one that's just come out now. It's also on Amazon and it's tied in with the videos that are coming up. We've got the first one out there.

Allan CP (: 43:50

Sorry, I flipped it around.

So there's the one on discovery science on YouTube that they could check out which is the secrets of the human body, right?

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 44:14

secrets of the human body. Watch that. It also does, it does highlight the book. And then for those who read that or think they would really like to get into all the systems of the body, because your design body, which sort of was like a 500 pages, we literally go through every system, but in a way that everyone can understand. Yeah. It's very comprehensive. Yeah.

Allan CP (: 44:41

And then you also had a series on, I think it's science and culture, which was the design body. And then that just says different articles on the design body.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 44:52

Right. That goes back to 2015, 2016. And that is probably more intense than the...

Allan CP (: 45:00

It

depends how deep you guys want to go. So make sure that you... I think the episode on Discovery Science is about 15 minutes long. So it's not a long watch, but it is a powerful one. And then if you are a reader or you're interested in reading, definitely check out your amazing body. And then if you want to dive even deeper, we'll do your design body, right?

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 45:22

And also, I have a whole series of articles on what's called Access Research Network, www.ARN. And actually, I've started a series specifically on this pet peeve I have about intracellular and extracellular space. if people are interested, it's, you know, think if there's real science types out there that have never thought about this, that really want to dive down deeper, I think that that could help. And also the original URI design body would be very helpful too.

Allan CP (: 45:51

Awesome. Yeah, I think people really enjoy those resources as well as this episode. So thank you so much, Doctor, for joining us today on the Science Dilemma. This was incredible. I think you did a great job ⁓ making it real for us on how designed our bodies are.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 46:08

Thanks, it's been great talking to you.

Allan CP (: 46:11

Have a good rest of your day. God bless.

Dr. Howard Glicksman (: 46:13

Okay, bye.